I was wondering if we really should allow commercial products in the news section. Personally I don't like it at all, as I said before with the banners as well. Just freeware SE stuff, I want people to be able to get all information here without buying anything or get dissappointed having to pull their wallet. I do not want this website to turn into a advertising outlet for SE built products. I think KVR is for that. So what are your thoughts on this before we allow/disallow? BTW, I do not mind though if there is something posted on the forum about it. I know that the modules of CK and DH are also not free, and we post them up, but I think that is a slightly different story.

i totally agree !
nothing more to say

Hi Thomas,

I don't really see a problem in adding a news post on a commercial SE plugin,
this site is all about SE stuff and the commercial ones are SE build too.
If you only wanna display freeware stuff, you discard some plugins that are nice and deserve some attention.

It's just a news post,..

Cya!
Rob.

I see valid points on both sides of the issue.

What if we seperate the commercial releases into a seperate category, SE Commercial? Like an SE symbol with a dollar/euro sign, perhaps. hehe.

Kelly

Although some good points made, personally I still think this site should be not about commercial stuff. at least that is what I had in mind when we set this site up.

It's your call ofcourse, but i still think it should be no problem to have news about all SE products.. free or commercial.

cya!

My personal take on the issue, is that if you are going to advertise a vst in any way shape or form, you are advertising, and with advertising, , the person is going to be linked to the site with commercial vst/vsti anyways, so you might as well advertise them along with the freeware. If someone spends a long time coding a plugin and asking only $5 for it, and would get denied that right, but could advertise their free vst/vsti only, of course they are just going to hit up kvr instead, and also probably spend more time there, so in this scenario, I think the best approach is "all or nothin", to avoid small stupid technicallities and conflicts.

Hi Thomas,

Thomas wrote:

BTW, I do not mind though if there is something posted on the forum about it. I know that the modules of CK and DH are also not free, and we post them up, but I think that is a slightly different story.

Okay, so am I understanding this is just about the 'News' section? If so, how about a seperate forum area, SE Commercial, for the commercial vst/fx news... that gives fair warning for those reading that forum that it's not free stuff. That would leave just the modules to decide on... CK, DH, heck even I have donation-only modules out. hehe. Should news be posted on those? or keep that info in the SE Commercial thread?

Kelly

Also if you want this site to be better then yahoo,. you can't deny commercial products... those are posted there.

And what is wrong with SE ppl then,... if they won't pay for some product if that took the dev. a lot of time and using custom modules that he paid for.

This is like sending out a msg that SE devs should not make commercial products or they can't post it here

Robacid78 wrote:

Also if you want this site to be better then yahoo,. you can't deny commercial products... those are posted there. And what is wrong with SE ppl then,... if they won't pay for some product if that took the dev. a lot of time and using custom modules that he paid for. This is like sending out a msg that SE devs should not make commercial products or they can't post it here P

Along the same lines, since this is going to be a module development kind-of-place, there are inevitably going to be commercial modules along with the free ones.

People paying for commercial modules & using them to construct commercial products is essentially the same as a musician seeing a commercial vst/vsti and them using those to create a commercial product (music).

...and about the authors which do no want their products are knows as "built with SE" ? (oh, i'm not sure my english is good here...)

hehehe

Your English is fine, Nova.

I imagine we would not mention products from those authors who do not wish their products to be known as being "built with SE", whether they were commercial or freeware.

Kelly

Robacid78 wrote:

It's your call ofcourse, but i still think it should be no problem to have news about all SE products.. free or commercial. cya!

It is not my call at all, I might have paid for the domain and provide the webspace, but that doesn't give me the right to do and decide as I please. This is our site and we make the calls, let that be very clear.

I think reading comments a seperated area would be best indeed. I do not like to have commercial products in the news section or in any section, certainly not demo's uploaded into the download section as an example. But as I read the thread many good points are made indeed. So let's say we put in a section for commercial VST's, should we make that a new database, or a forum dedicated to that? I personally like the forum option, but I could look into something more stylish. For instance put a section into the links dedicated to that? Just proposing....